Press Plates

[nosterbor]

you can not do that! would you like to have the serial # to 5 that you have all 5 of put on the oddball list? NO ONE ELSE WILL GET ONE! what about all the #/2 cards? no one will ever get 100% of all the cards from 1996-2005 not even a single one of those years. way to many very rare cards. the ony way that will happen is if the human race were to become almost wiped out and about 500,000 people were left,and someone went around to all the card shops and into peoples homes that were dead,and took all the cards they could find. that would be the only way it could happen. sounds morbid,but thats about the only way it could happen. if that did happen who the hell would care about a card collection! NOT ME! NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE,JUST VERY UNLIKELY.

[jjt111]

I’m an uneducated (high school and 12 credits from community college) layman who has worked in a manufacturing plant the last 31 years. But I have some printing and blanking press machine experience to share. First they seem to be confused about printing plates and press plates. Printing plates will be the mirror image of the card and press plates will be the normal image. I feel most think they are the same thing but press plates would go behind the printing plate.. But they seem to use both terms for the press plate. Most have only one press plate. There is little reason to have more except for resale I guess. Normally because of the color mix they end up black.

Must cards are run through a four color printing machine and sheets are 27” X 40”. They are then run through a blanking press that has 5/16” to a ½” of lead trim and 1/8” to 1/4” of inside and perimeter waste that is carried through the machine and in to waste bins.

You can look up baseball sheets on Ebay and will see that some sheets have a profound borders and some don’t but either way it will be the same picture if you cut it out with scissors except the border will be bigger as you can take from the other surrounding cards or the picture itself will continue a little longer to make a bigger card. The machine has what they call lay stops that advise you if it was inserted correctly into the machine but sheets are transported into the machine with a vacuum system and can be within 1/16” on every sheet being feed.

I haven’t run a machine since they took my tools away from me and have never seen a baseball sheet made but cigarette packs to display boxes can’t be that different.

I have many sheets from the yearly 90’s as I had a friend who owned a recycling plant that had some sent to them to be recycled into fiber board. If I wanted to get rid of them, which I don’t, I would be wise to cut the more popular playing cards out a little larger and call them a proof and would surely improve my income from them. Yes I could also make a regular card but what value would that be to a collector.

Here is a picture of me some 15 years ago in a brochure that our company had made with me working on a 35 x 48 Bobst blanking machine.

I will not change my stance on oversize cards unless there is an appearance change other then a bigger or extended surface because of the above knowledge. At best they could be added to the oddball page but then do you add the known sheets?

Stepping off my soap box,
Jonas

[nosterbor]

on the sheets you have are the pictures larger? have you looked at the 96 gallery card i put in a post? can you explain this as coming from a sheet? not to sound neg,but i do have an inside track of how these were printed as i explained in a past post. as for the jimmy dean its 15% larger than a reg card,the whole card not just the border. i will send you a copy of the post over size proof and the jimmy dean.it is hard to compair in just a photo. when you get them let us know what you think.it might sheet some light on this subject.

[adelith]

Please send copy of those to me too, I want to take part in that judgement!

Originally Posted by nosterbor

on the sheets you have are the pictures larger? have you looked at the 96 gallery card i put in a post? can you explain this as coming from a sheet? not to sound neg,but i do have an inside track of how these were printed as i explained in a past post. as for the jimmy dean its 15% larger than a reg card,the whole card not just the border. i will send you a copy of the post over size proof and the jimmy dean.it is hard to compair in just a photo. when you get them let us know what you think.it might sheet some light on this subject.

[jjt111]

I looked and don't have a sheet of the 96 Gallery cards. But if I did I'm sure it would be made without boarders and just an oversize printing plate so when waste is removed it wouldn't have a boarder to be graded by. Meaning it could be made from that sheet with scissors if in fact that is correct. Either way, if it was used as a proof or a run inspection it would just be a sheet cut out unless it was kept on file and then it would have some identifying mark. If not it's just an oddball card that can be made like the one I made above from a sheet!

[jjt111]

Roberto, the card he is talking about is this one http://juangone.com/attachment.php?a...1&d=1201478830

which I still feel was cut an 1/8" bigger as it is a borderless plate sheet.

[nosterbor]

the whole picture of the card is magnified larger! you will see when you get one.

[freddie]

My opinion has not changed:
Pack Issued Press Plates: One of One List

Backdoor Plates: Oddball List

Proofs having an image/contents that are the same as the regular issue card but having extra material: Not on the list at all
If you can take a pair of scissors and modify your proof so that it looks like the regular card then it can be classified no different than a card cut from a sheet.

Proofs having an image/contents that are larger/smaller than the regular card: Oddball list

[jzk_ksy]

I agree with Freddie...all my press plates were pack inserts...all say 1/1...do the backdoor plates have 1/1 on them?...as far as oversize proofs,I'm ok either way list,oddball, or even not at all....

Kevin

http://www.juangone.com/pictures.php?cardid=95560

Where should this card go then???

This was a card that escaped as Pinnacle was going belly-up. It was never issued in packs.


I thought the ultimate goal here is to try to create the most comprehensive list of Juan Gonzalez items. Does it really matter where they are catalogued?? Now, I am all for having the list be as accurate as possible, but, seriously, who gives a rat's butt if the back door press plates are in the 1/1 list or the oddball? Who gives a flying elephant (those would have been a lot better if could have just cursed) whether proofs are listed where?

It is most important to identify items that exist...period. All the rest of it just seems petty.